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Postby keepfeed » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:17 pm

Mouse option to right click on hot link opens in default browser in background would be great, enabling one to stack up items there to read later.

At the moment on my small screen, so I have room for Awasu, I have to size Google Chrome just to show down to the tabs and drag and drop into it. Hardly convenient.

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Postby support » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:36 pm

To be able to do something like this, there needs to be a standard way to talk to the "default browser" and do things like "open this link in the background", and unfortunately there isn't.

If you want it to only work with Chrome, it's possible to add your own entries to the context menu and do some JavaScript magic, if Chrome offers a way to "open this link in the background".

But there is a way to do what you want, by using the existing "Add to Awasu workpad" menu item to collect links, then when you're ready to read them, right-click in the Workpad itself and choose "Open all".

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Postby keepfeed » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:57 pm

Not sure I understood any of that but I will try and figure it out.

If I have one slight criticism of Awasu, it is this:

Clearly it is very powerful and flexible but to use more than the minimum of features or tweek them does seem to demand technical skills. I do have some after 40 years in IT but mostly those I taught myself, as my role was business orientated and I am not an anorak. People manage to drive their cars, even change gear even without a clue as to how they work, nor should have to.

However, what about those poor b :mrgreen: ds who haven't a clue with anything technical so that booting up their computer and closing down is about the limit technically of what they can do?

I myself cannot play around with Java or Google Chrome. I am not even sure what Java is.
I might figure out what Awasu workpads are and can do but.... :roll:

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Postby support » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:03 pm

keepfeed wrote:Clearly it is very powerful and flexible but to use more than the minimum of features or tweek them does seem to demand technical skills.

This is not an unreasonable thing. You cannot have a tool that is both powerful and flexible, and have all that power and flexibility completely accessible to people who can't do much more than turn their computer on and off. For those people, there are alternatives, although you can bet that some of them say "this is a really easy program to use but if I had one slight criticism, it would be that it lacks power and flexibility" :-) :roll:

Awasu is targeted at power users, people who have hard-core information management requirements, and there is an inevitable learning curve. You can't target a single product at everyone, and it's a misteak to even try. Yes, people can drive a car without any technical knowledge, and people can subscribe to channels in Awasu and read them without knowing what's going on. But if people want to do any kind of work on their car, do anything more than turn on the ignition, press some pedals and turn the steering wheel, then they're going to need to know what they're doing.

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Postby keepfeed » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:27 pm

:D Your reasoning is very sound and thorough and I am not at all surprised. Awasu stands out a mile in my opinion and that also reflects a guy (or guys) who have their act thoroughly together.

Good luck to you. Now where can I find a manual about Java. (Rhetorical.)

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Postby keepfeed » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:15 pm

But there is a way to do what you want, by using the existing "Add to Awasu workpad" menu item to collect links, then when you're ready to read them, right-click in the Workpad itself and choose "Open all".


Your advice to me does not work at all well. I gave myself two weeks to learn all about workpads properly, but to no avail.

I like to read the news items in the browser pane because the one liner in the item pane is insufficient to establish whether the item is of interest.

ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH USING THE WORKPAD FROM THE BROWSER PANE IS THAT IT SAVES THE URL IN THE WORKPAD, NOT THE TEXT. Then afterwards, the url is of no use at all to discriminate between items. Since it does the reverse from the item pane, I have to regard that as a bug. Besides, even if it did work properly, it is significantly more effort than dragging or right clicking directly into my browser from thew browser pane.

Besides, I see no purpose in workpads other than to act as a store for read items to surf in the future. However, you can do that just as well and I think better by setting up the tabs in your browser directly for later reading as I had wanted to do and, if necessary because you are going to close down your computer before reading them, bookmark the complete set. That assumes you can do that in your browser of course but you can with IE7 or Google Chrome.

ONE REASON I PREFER TO USE MY OWN BROWSER RATHER THAN AWASU IS THAT YOU CANNOT INCREASE THE TEXT SIZE IN NARRATIVE IN THE AWASU BROWSER WINDOW AND THE SIZE OF IT IS LIMITED ON A SMALL SCREEN BY THE OTHER AWASU COMPONENTS TAKING UP SPACE. I actually increase the text size considerably, making it much easier to read with my aging eyes. There is so much garbage and advertising in virtually every news item window that you can see all you wish to read without the need for horizontal scrolling.

Furthermore, you cannot select more than one entry in the workpad and drag then to another browser together, making your suggestion an absolute chore and no use at all, I am afraid.

So I go back to my original request to be able to move a news item to my browser with a single right click of the mouse on the news item concerned in either the item pane or the browser pane. I cannot believe that only a small number of Awassu users would use it!

But regardless, please get rid of that bug where only the url is visible in the workpad, not meaningful text.

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Postby support » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:43 pm

keepfeed wrote:ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH USING THE WORKPAD FROM THE BROWSER PANE IS THAT IT SAVES THE URL IN THE WORKPAD, NOT THE TEXT. Then afterwards, the url is of no use at all to discriminate between items. Since it does the reverse from the item pane, I have to regard that as a bug.

This is due to the fact that the browser pane is provided by a Microsoft component, it wasn't written by us. It has no knowledge of RSS or items or item text. When it sends a message to Awasu to add something to a workpad, all it has to work with is a URL. It might be possible to hack around this but it would cause other things to start behaving weirdly and this is the lesser of two weevils.

keepfeed wrote:Besides, I see no purpose in workpads other than to act as a store for read items to surf in the future. However, you can do that just as well and I think better by setting up the tabs in your browser directly for later reading as I had wanted to do

Not necessarily. I use workpads in exactly this way when I'm using Awasu on a laptop and want to click through on a link but I'm not connected to the net. I'll save links in a workpad and read them later when I'm online.

The main purpose of workpads is for republishing content. As I explained in another post, Awasu is targeted at heavy-duty information processing and workpads allow stories to be gathered (think reseachers trawling the net for topics of interest), annotated, then sent out as an email, web page or a new feed.

keepfeed wrote:ONE REASON I PREFER TO USE MY OWN BROWSER RATHER THAN AWASU IS THAT YOU CANNOT INCREASE THE TEXT SIZE IN NARRATIVE IN THE AWASU BROWSER WINDOW AND THE SIZE OF IT IS LIMITED ON A SMALL SCREEN BY THE OTHER AWASU COMPONENTS TAKING UP SPACE.

Press F11 for full-screen mode. Auto-hide the other Awasu windows (click on the pushpin in the title bars).

keepfeed wrote:I actually increase the text size considerably, making it much easier to read with my aging eyes.

Awasu uses the text size as configured in IE so if you adjust that, it should be reflected in Awasu. I think there's also some way to do it in JavaScript - kevotheclone might be able to help out here.

keepfeed wrote:Furthermore, you cannot select more than one entry in the workpad and drag then to another browser together, making your suggestion an absolute chore and no use at all, I am afraid.

Right-click and choose Open all. Hold down SHIFT to open the links in an external browser.

keepfeed wrote:So I go back to my original request to be able to move a news item to my browser with a single right click of the mouse on the news item concerned in either the item pane or the browser pane.

Right-click and choose Open in new browser or Open in default browser respectively.

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Postby keepfeed » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:38 am

Obviously, I accept all of your comments in reply even if with reservations. I appreciate that what you can do is somewhat limited by the underlying Windows features you use. However, after reading what you have said, I was in the process of assembling items to try with the workpad again so that I could see how effective it would be to Right-click and choose Open all later using Hold down SHIFT as you suggest to open all the links in an external browser.

This time I happened to use right click on the item in the browser pane of Awasu and select Add to Awasu Workpad. That is a pain to use all the time as it is so slow to use repeatedly as you scan down news items, which is why I asked for being able to use right click and get straight to that result. I am not happy with dragging - it is better but still very cumbersome

Well, while dragging adds the url in the workpad, doing it the former way gives the text. Surely that contradicts what you are saying about being limited because the browser pane is provided by a Microsoft component? If that is so, then why does it work invoking it one way but not the other?

Also, your suggestion of how to increase the text size in the browser pane is not convenient because that then has to be changed back each time after feed reading to make IE usable for other purposes.

Strangely but superbly better, Google Chrome seems to retain the text size you last used for each provider independently as a result of which you can tailor and retain the text size as needed for each provider without having to change it every time to tailor for each item on which you are browsing. That is a huge benefit rendering any other alternative way of browsing vastly inferior. So, using the Awasu browser just is not on in circumstances like mine.

If I have to forego workpads and continue dragging directly into my browser I will do so. On a very small screen it is useful that one can reduce Chrome to display 445 x 99 still leaving enough room to drag into and there is an add-on that enables to switch with a single click between that and another size suitable for reading the items when later ready to do that.

I do understand that there is a limit to what you can do. So, maybe I have to satisfy myself with that. All said and done, I think Awasu is superb as it is.

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Postby kevotheclone » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:27 pm

Sorry I've been away for a while. In my absence this thread has morphed from a feature request to a bug report. Of course I've got perspectives on both, which I may post separately.

Let's discuss your original request
You want to be able to quickly open feed items or other URLs in Google Chrome but have Google Chrome remain in the background. Have you tried 1) right clicking a link and select "Open in default browser" and then 2) Alt+Tab back to Awasu?
I can do this pretty quickly. :)

Taka (a.k.a. Support) previously mentioned the JavaScript files that are typically located in the C:\Program Files\Awasu\Resources\IE Templates\ directory. If you open them up you'll see that they are only 20 lines or less of JavaScript. I did try editing the IeOpenInDefaultBrowser.template adding ws.AppActivate( "Awasu" ); so that the focus would return to Awasu after the run command. Unfortunately, the run command returns as soon as the browser runs (in my case Firefox on WinXP) and although Awasu does become the active program, when Firefox completely loads the web page Firefox once again becomes the active window. I'm not sure if Chrome would react the same way and maybe Vista or Windows 7 might work differently as well.

One thing you should know
I think Internet Explorer is the only web browser that really allows itself to be programmed "from the outside". Other browsers allow you to add customizations that run "inside" the browser, but they do not allow outside programs to really take control of the browser. So maybe part of your frustration should be directed at the makers of Google Chrome.

That being said, there may be some other options that we can try inside the IeOpenInDefaultBrowser.template file, and maybe you can use a system-wide automation system like AutoHotKey to automate this process. This topic may be of some help.

I might be able to take another look at this in the next week so be patient. I do not work for Awasu, I'm just a regular old user like you, and I've got my yearly tax deadline looming larger and larger each passing day, so your request isn't on the top of my task list yet.

Keep an eye on this thread, as I'll address Awasu Workpads as well as some other options for you to try in separate post(s).
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Postby kevotheclone » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:36 pm

Workpads
It sounds like you now understand that Workpad's can display a feed item's title instead of a URL.

When I use "Send to --> Workpad" from the Item Pane, Browser Pane, or the Edit menu the feed item is added to Workpad and the feed item's title text is displayed. I see that your ExEclipse template and still has the "Send to" link under each feed item, glad you didn't edit it out.

When I drag-and-drop a URL/hyperlink to a Workpad then the URL is displayed.

Even if the URL is displayed, you can edit the Workpad item and add a title and additionally some notes.

keepfeed wrote:...if necessary because you are going to close down your computer before reading them, bookmark the complete set.
Workpads retain their items, even when you close down your computer.

Also, Awasu supports using the "Send to" feature with online bookmarking services like Delicious, Diigo and Google or Yahoo! Bookmarks (and 100s of others) so you can save pages to read later "in the cloud" and access them from any computer... even a Mac or Linux computer.

Increasing text size in Awasu
Remember that ExEclipse.template you created? You can modify it so that the text size is increased. This will only affect the content that you view in Awasu, it will not change IE default settings.
Look in the .CSS file and find the definition for .itemDescription and add font-size:14pt, when you're done it should look something like this.

Code: Select all

.itemDescription
{
font-size: 14pt;
margin-top: 0.5em ;
margin-left: 1.5em ;
}


Instead of specifying a font-size in points (pt) you can also use pixels (px), percentages (%) and several other units of measurement.

And yes we could use JavaScript to give you a couple of buttons within the ExEclipse template that would 1) increase and 2) decrease the font size, but as previously stated I'm a little busy right now to dive head first into this.
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Postby keepfeed » Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:22 am

:shock: :?: kevotheclone,

I appreciate your comments and I do not want to sound unappreciative but unfortunately they do not help. From what you say, maybe you are under the impression that I am having difficulty opening a succession of items in Chrome for later reading. I am not - I just wanted to make it even better and, from the point of view of some other people, perhaps I am making too much fuss, I will list out the thoughts on my mind in full.

1) When I read the news, switching from Awasu to reading an article I select in full in any browser is not something I wish to do because I find it much slower than selecting all the items of news first. Furthermore, the one liner for each you get in the item pane of a feed reader often does not give enough information to make my choices, so I dispense with that altogether. I managed to design PartialEclipse to make the display of the one-liners in the browser pane of Awasu as clear and tidy as possible and still stand out from the more detailed narrative but still be there and easily read when I want to. I limited what I did in the .css file to deleting the line that displayed the moon, changing colours which was relatively easy with a tool I have that displays values in hex and changing the per cent that influenced the size of the headline font. All of this I was able to do with no risk in spite of not having a clue about the language used in the file. Anything else would have been beyond me so I did not think of touching it.

2) :cry: I would not use the Awasu browser even if there were buttons to alter the font size, so please do not trouble yourself on that on my account. Firstly, on my small netbook screen I want to have as much space without using maximise on the window in which to use a browser and still have my task bar at hand. However, when I am scanning the news in Awasu that is too big because I need the channels pane open - otherwise I cannot open the next channel or choose another to which I wish to jump. (When and if I use a workpad, I found that making it float and giving it a shortcut allows me to place it on top of the channels pane, also floating and quickly switch between the two.

:P But there is another reason, I will stick to Chrome regardless. I cannot entirely explain exactly what is happening but I do like it a lot. Different feed sources are organised differently, so I find the extent to which I want to change and can change the font size in the browser varies. Almost always, one changes fits all from a given provider not just in one session but for days, weeks and months. Chrome seems to remember what font size I use in most cases, so I only have to change it myself for a new feed provider if and when I add another channel. Now that is brilliant, at least for me. I am not sure if Google intended this or whether for me at least it is a lucky accident.

3) Now all this works well enough but I thought what if I could make it work better. It is no problem dragging from the Awasu pane into the browser into Chrome without losing focus and I can do it while scanning through all the news in all the channels to find what I am interested in reading in full. However, a modification such as I asked for to use a single click instead of dragging would be much easier and faster, so that was why I asked for it.

Support said he could not do it and suggested using a workpad instead to store for later reading, so I gave it a try. Unless to get items into there one could use a single click from the Awasu browser pane, I could see no benefit in that. I might just as well continue dragging into Chrome. So, as an alternative to a single click into Chrome, I then asked Support if he could enable a single click instead of dragging or right clicking and selecting from a list into a workpad.

4) The issue of displaying the url instead of text in the workpad arose as a by product of the above. I noticed that one gets the text if dragging from the item pane into it but not from the Awasu browser pane. Your suggestions about other means of accomplishing that may work but anything more demanding than a single click to accomplish it is pointless to me. I can already do what I want and only wanted to make it faster.

5) :evil: :cry: :evil: Now looking at this from a broader perspective, one thing I find absurd about feed reading is that it does not work as well as it might. In the old days reading hard copy limited you to one or two sources and was very slow unless you had a lot of time to waste. Using a feed reader with quite a few sources is faster but, as I see it, a little haphazard. One spends too much time trying to understand cryptic headlines that are more of a riddle than informative, such as one I just came across now "U-turn likely over staff diversity questions". In my view, even the more detailed headind in the Awasu browser pane "Controversial plans to ask workers sensitive questions about their sexuality and religious beliefs are likely to be scrapped." is next to useless. Is this a government matter affecting all colleges, in which I might be interested in reading or one fringe college miles from anywhere, in which case of no interest to me whatsoever? That plus all the rubbish in the headlines which is not news but stupid gossip leaves real news as only a small proportion of most news feeds meaning that what one ought to be able to read through quickly takes far too much time.

Heavens, I am retired and I find it much too slow. What about poor guys like you who are still working? Getting the feed reader one uses into a routine one can economise on time and effort with obviously helps to minimise the impact. Dispensing with bells and whistles such as the various fussy templates in Awasu also helps. They may look good but they are not designed for usability. A single click where one can keep ones fist on the mouse without having to change the position of one's wrist would help as well.

That's all there is to it and behind my request! I realise Awasu cannot do every enhancement asked for but nothing ventured nothing gained. :mrgreen:


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